From: mikegold@umich.edu (Michael Paul Goldenberg) Newsgroups: k12.ed.math Subject: Re: created or discovered? Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:29:11 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 69 Sender: k12math@sd28.bc.ca Approved: k12math@sd28.bc.ca I basically agree with most of what Darrell has written. Two points need making, however. First, 'gravity' didn't exist, if Darrell's overall thinking about mathematics is correct, until someone gave it a name. However, the phenomena associated with what we have chosen to give the name 'gravity' as a kind of mental shorthand (e.g., "Gee, here are some interesting things that seem to be related: let's call them 'gravity.'") have pretty much always existed. So the issue here isn't whether 'reality' exists, in case any platonists are getting nervous, but rather that the concepts into which we choose to divide up reality are invented. Do we have totally free reign as to how to see things? Probably not. There are limits which involve the interplay of 'what's really out there' and 'the way our brains work.' Indeed, it may be that there are some definite relationships of significance between those two realms. But we need to be reminded rather frequently that virtually everything we categorize as "X" could just have easily be lumped into some other category, depending upon whim and the categorization scheme we're employing. WHich leads me to Darrell's comment on dogs and cats. The important point to remember is not the what we call a dog could just as easily have be called a host of other things, including 'cat', but that what we call dogs could have remained lumped into some larger category (e.g., canines, or a category that only included coyotes and dogs) or a smaller one (imagine, for example, a language which had words for canines, wolves, coyotes, etc., and for every imaginable breed of dog, but which lacked a generic word for 'dog'). So language, while not creating reality, perhaps, certainly reflects certain human categories, arbitrary and non-natural, with which a group of people, over time, have chosen to cut up their reality. But no such scheme can cut reality 'at its joints' because no such joints exist. Reality is seamless. We make the seams to suit our purposes, but should try to recall that we did so. Sorry to go all linguistic on you. But you know how we former English teachers can get. ;^) -- "Truth is a mobile army of metaphors." - F. Nietzsche ---------------------------- message approved for posting by k12.ed.math moderator:Sheila King k12.ed.math is a moderated newsgroup. charter for the newsgroup at www.wenet.net/~cking/sheila/charter.html submissions: post to k12.ed.math or e-mail to k12math@sd28.bc.ca